Saigon, October 30^th , 2013-10-30

Dear Cherie Kropp.
How are you?
Thank you  so much for your letters that you wrote in June 2013. Sorry, I couldn’t reply at once. I have to pray and think carefully, because this is an important matter, especially concerning God’s way!

After some months, I think I must  write, although it continues some sad news!
I enclose here some pages about that matter, I hope you will use them to help others know more this cult and they can choose wisely what and how to please our God. I’m ready to answer any questions.

All the best to you.
Nguyen Huu Bau

 

 

Dear ones in the name of Jesus Christ,

By chance, I get to know Cheri Kropp, a lady who owns the website “ Telling The Truth” (TTT). She also asks me some questions concerning  the way of God in Viet Nam.
Truely to say, if these questions came to me 50 years ago, I would have been so happy to write, not now! After praying, thinking some months, I felt that I need to write, because this is the time, there are many people in Vietnam and in other countries misunderstand in many ways about God’s way in Vietnam. I’ll introduce myself by the next pages.

 

 

THE WAY OF GOD COME TO VIETNAM

 

+When did the workers first arrive? 
 In 1957

 

+Who were the first brother workers to arrive? Where were they from?
Fred Allen from Queensland, Australia and Maurice Archer from New Zealand.

 

+Who were the first sister workers to arrive? Where were they from?
Phyllis Munn and Bonnie Dahlin from USA in early 1960.

 

+Who were the first native workers to go in the work and when?
First  native brother workers: Nguyen Thanh Hoa and Vu Ngoc Chau in 1967.
First native sister workers: Ho Thu Anh 1973

 

+Who were the first to profess, what year and where?
Nguyen Thanh Hoa and Vu Ngoc Chau in June 1961 in Saigon.

 

+When & where was the first Gospel meeting held?
At 123 Ba Huyen Thanh Quan Str., District 3, Saigon in 1958.

 

+When & Where was the first Sunday fellowship meeting held?
At the brothers’ batch at 378D Đien Bien Phu Str, District 3, Saigon in 1961.
 (from June to November because there were a few friends with 4 workers). 
The fellowship meetings with bread and cup were held in the house of Mr. & Mrs. Bau in December 1961)

 

+When & Where was the first baptism held?
In early 1962 at a swimming pool in Saigon.

 

+When and Where was the first convention held?
At the brothers’ batch in Saigon from 1962-1982 and at Youth Hostel in Dalat from 1963-1966.

 

+ Where the convention now held?
No conventions now. Just only 2 special meetings at the beginning and midle of the year.

 

+ Who has the overseer been?

        Fred Allen, Nguyen Thanh Hoa &  and Vu Ngoc Chau, Cliff Toane, Jim Chaffee.

        Morris Grovum, Darrel Turner, Lyle Shultz from Canada.

-1957 to 1975    Fred Allen ( he had to leave Vietnam due to the communist occupied the South of Vietnam and handed the responsibility to Nguyen Thanh Hoa &  and Vu Ngoc Chau until 1992 when Cliff came… (a)

 +  1992  Cliff Toane from Canada  came to visit, but couldn’t stay in Vietnam. As Fred Allen could not be in   VN either, so he asked Cliff to assume the overseership in VN and Châu and Hoa cooperated with him.              +  1997 (?) Cliff couldn’t continue and handed the responsibility to Jim Chaffee from Hong Kong …In turn he handed the responsibility to Morris Grovum and then Morris handed to Darrel Turner . (b)

 -2011 Darrel handed the responsibility to Lyle Shultz from Canada until now. (c)

 

 

(a)     These 2 local workers Nguyen Thanh Hoa &  and Vu Ngoc Chau, God’s people respect them very much. They take care of the folk devotedly, even in the most difficult  time. 

Although in 1992 to 1999, Cliff Toane & Jim Chaffee came to Vietnam but just for visiting. Sometimes in a year, both of them couldn’t stay even 1 month!

 

(b)   By early 1990s the government opened the door, these 2 workers Morris Grovum and Darrel Turner from Canada could stay in Vietnam (under the name of learning, teaching or working... but not preaching). 
The word “overseer” was first heard by us by this time. They used their authorities to change many things...and never discussed with Châu and Hoa even one word! 
They associated with some other overseers ( the main one was Dale Schultz) and invited them to Vietnam and found the way to drive Châu out from his ministry!  Many elders, friends disagreed with such actions, so they stood up, spoke and wrote many letters to them. The situation has been getting worse and worse. That is the reasonDale Schultz sent Lyle Shultz to take place of Darrel Turner. They had expelled Châu out of work until Darrel left Vietnam!!! They did not let Châu preach in Vietnam. They sent him to Cambodia, East Timor, Australia... (while sending many foreinger workers to Việt Nam).

 

Meanwhile, uncle Hoa saw these wrong things, he wrote a heart letter to all God’s people to let them know that he couldn’t cooperate with such overseers. In the heart letter, he showed that he would like  to continue to offer his whole life to serve the Lord in the right way as he had done previously.

 

(c)      At first Lyle Shultz was welcomed because he said he came to restore the unity and peace .  In fact, day by day we didn’t see  anything as he promised but his action revealed that he wanted to conceal the wrong things of Darrel and made the division more and more seriously!!!

(we had the feeling Lyle Shultz came here to defend for his nation, not for the God’s Kingdom)

 

     So, owing to these causes, now in Vietnam there are two parts:

1.    More than 100 elders and friends in many provinces, cities, villages and uncle Hoa. They want to keep the truth as before. Sad to say there are some workers cannot understand clearly, so they dare to write letters to require us to turn back! 
No , we keep on as in Revelation 2:25 “ only hold fast to what you have till I come”

 

2.    The rest follow the Canadian overseer! Many of them have just professed in a short time, so they don’t know of our golden time before.

 

 

Saigon, 30-10-2013

Dear ones,

My name is Bau, 84 years old, my wife 81. Both of us used to belong The Protestant way. By chance I met the Way of God, so both of us professed the same night in 1961. We were the first couple in The Way in Vietnam. Our home also was the first place for the fellowship meeting with bread and cup.
We had 7 children, 11 grand children and 6 great grand children. Four of my children opened their houses for fellowship meetings with bread and cup, too. 
I had had great privileges to meet thousands of friends and hundreds of workers in 9 countries such as London, Paris, Australia and USA...I used to send letters, email to 50 ones within 18 countries each time. Especially we had a very good opportunity to welcome many workers and friends from abroad, particularly the American soldier by the time the war in Vietnam. We did enjoy so much in God’s Way. How wonderful it is!

But- how sad to say!
These golden chapters couldn’t continue as it should! Since 2000, the Canadian workers came andoverseer appeared as you see in the map, many things were changed...we pray for any miracles to happen to change the situation but hopeless. So last three years until now we have our own meetings, we keep on much better. Our fellowship meetings now are so good, so sweet.

We learn that the solution for any cases and anywhere that keep the truth and go on.
Reading the church in Revelation we see clearly a lot of trouble but one verse was a comfort to us: 
“ only hold fast to what you have till I come” Rev 2:25.

Best wishes

NGUYEN HUU BAU

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1.       Uncle Fred Allan (The tallest on the back row)

2.       Uncle Willie Jamieson (The second row)

3.       I’m Nguyen Huu Bau  (The first row wear glasses.)

 

Uncle Chau & Uncle Hoa at the beginning… (1967)                                                                                                    This picture is uncle Chau…

 

 Uncle Châu and his sister farewell Uncle Willie Jamieson …

 

Uncle Fred returned to VN in 1996 to visit us.

1.  Uncle Fred Allen

2.  Uncle Nguyen Thanh Hoa

3.  Uncle Vu Ngoc Chau

4.  Miss Ho Thu Anh (first sister worker)

5.  Mr & Mrs Nguyen Huu Bau